Question for hardware gurus

Re: Question for hardware gurus

Postby BergEr » Wed Sep 24, 2014 3:43 pm

Dawe wrote:Hmm, now i am wondering about RAM modules...

Can anyone explain me the XMP/AMP profiles?


XMP = Intel
AMP = Amd

Its overclock for memory, RAM will run at 1333Mhz unless u use this.
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Re: Question for hardware gurus

Postby Dawe » Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:37 pm

Yeah, i got that...

But i m wondering about the correct setup (which RAM to which Motherboard / CPU)

For example:

I read a review of the AMD FX-8370E, where the reviewers used ASRock Fatal1ty 990FX Killer motherboard with Kingston DDR3-2133 RAM with XMP.

And i didn't understand one thing... their RAM worked on 2133 Mhz, the motherboard supports a 2133 Mhz RAM, but the processor don't. (The internal memory controller of the AMD CPU can handle max 1866 Mhz)
The RAM modules couldn't work on the 1866 Mhz, because the best JEDEC standard of the RAM offers 1333 MHz, else XMP profiles 1600/2133 Mhz... the Motherboard do not support 1866 Mhz either.

So how is possible that the CPU was working with the RAM at the 2133 Mhz?

The same works for Intel... their memory controller can handle even less frequency than AMD (1600 Mhz max)

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And don't let me start on the wide selection of available RAM modules... so many of them (and the argues on the discussion forums about which CL timing is better)
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Re: Question for hardware gurus

Postby BergEr » Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:26 am

They can handle much higher, but anything over 1600 (even 1333Mhz in many cases) is overclocking.
Correct setup? This isn't servergrade boards which actually wont run with bad quality dimms(like my Supermicro x10sl7-f wont run 4x8GB kingston ECCs)

Unless u plan to play games on the integrated graphics just get 1600Mhz and be happy.
Real world benefits on PCs with OC memory is usually <1%

I have to say this though. I read very little about XMP/AMP because its mostly set and forgett feature.
Higher Mhz and lower timings should always perform better. Though doing this on "worse" dimms usually dont work.
The only ppl that care is the ones chase score in benchmark suites or run server farms.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4503/sand ... est-ddr3/6
Ofc not on a platform you are buying, but afaik nothing has changed on mainstream.

Also if u still are looking at AMD system, take a look at Intel Haswell-E tests on x99 platform. =D
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Re: Question for hardware gurus

Postby Dawe » Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:35 pm

Ok, so here is my provisional list of components...

Case:
Fractal Design Define R4 Black Pearl + window

Power Source:
Fractal Design Newton R3 Smart Modular 1000W //- Maybe i could use 800W?

Motherboard:
MSI Z97 GAMING 5 - Intel Z97

Processor:
Intel Core i5-4690K // - should i buy 128GB SSD instead so i could afford Intel Core i7-4790K? (but it will be the motherboard enough for i7?)

CPU Cooler:
Noctua NH-U12S // - I like Tower-type Cooler and this one have the lowest weight

Memory:
Kingston HyperX Savage 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 2400 CL11 // - Im still not sure what memory i should use, maybe CL9 1866 Mhz?

GPU:
Sapphire R9 285 DUAL-X 2GB GDDR5 OC // - I try w8 a little for a 285X version

SSD:
Samsung 850 Pro 256GB

OS:
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit OEM

The rest:
LG (BH16NS40) BD drive
Also i need new headphones, and keyboard
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Re: Question for hardware gurus

Postby Laby » Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:53 pm

128GB SSD may be limiting honestly. I have one and I can basically use Windows, some classic softwares like MS Office, one Lineage II client, one other big game and that's it
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Re: Question for hardware gurus

Postby BergEr » Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:06 pm

Dawe wrote:Ok, so here is my provisional list of components...

Case:
Fractal Design Define R4 Black Pearl + window

Power Source:
Fractal Design Newton R3 Smart Modular 1000W //- Maybe i could use 800W?

Motherboard:
MSI Z97 GAMING 5 - Intel Z97

Processor:
Intel Core i5-4690K // - should i buy 128GB SSD instead so i could afford Intel Core i7-4790K? (but it will be the motherboard enough for i7?)

CPU Cooler:
Noctua NH-U12S // - I like Tower-type Cooler and this one have the lowest weight

Memory:
Kingston HyperX Savage 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 2400 CL11 // - Im still not sure what memory i should use, maybe CL9 1866 Mhz?

GPU:
Sapphire R9 285 DUAL-X 2GB GDDR5 OC // - I try w8 a little for a 285X version

SSD:
Samsung 850 Pro 256GB

OS:
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit OEM

The rest:
LG (BH16NS40) BD drive
Also i need new headphones, and keyboard


1000W is insane overkill unless u have alot not listed here.
This system shouldn't take over 400W, even with heavy overclock it would be hard :)
This is afterall a mainstream system.

i5 vs i7 is someting u have to think about since u didn't share what u plan to do with this pc(or mby u did few pages back, forgott to check).

Would look for MB with Intel nic over this Killer stuff. Atleast seen reports that it will cause problem if u play any Blizzard game.
Memory is w/e, u will probably not notice any gain by getting cl11 2400MHz over cl9 1600/1866 MHz

Windows7? :o

128 GB SSD is fine if u can keep watch over it so u dont fill it up.
Im still on a 90GB one, though I got almost all my games on an HDD.
For most games its imo not worth to waste SSD space. You get alot of programs for the 32GB WoW use now =D
Afaik bf3 were around 30GB also. I were waiting for ppl to load on mapchange even after moving bf3 to my HDD.
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Re: Question for hardware gurus

Postby Draecke » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:14 pm

my cpu Intel Core i5 4690K / 3.5 Ghz - 6 MB cache - LGA1150 Socket works awesome so imo don't bother with i7 and the ASUS Z97-A is good enough to go with it all as well.

have no lags at all with my current pc, see full specs on page 2 of this topic, except for network connection related ones for which there's not much you can do anywayz besides stuff like LowerPing/BattlePing etc.
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Re: Question for hardware gurus

Postby Laby » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:10 pm

Also I strongly recommend Windows 8 =)
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Re: Question for hardware gurus

Postby Dawe » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:23 pm

I don't want W8
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Re: Question for hardware gurus

Postby BergEr » Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:29 pm

Draecke wrote:my cpu Intel Core i5 4690K / 3.5 Ghz - 6 MB cache - LGA1150 Socket works awesome so imo don't bother with i7 and the ASUS Z97-A is good enough to go with it all as well.

have no lags at all with my current pc, see full specs on page 2 of this topic, except for network connection related ones for which there's not much you can do anywayz besides stuff like LowerPing/BattlePing etc.


More cores are cool if u multitask or ex render stuff. http://youtu.be/-GgDZKGA89I
But i5s should be top for pure gaming for few more years.

Dawe wrote:I don't want W8


Strange to not want best OS on market but ok :)

eVGA SuperNOVA 750 G2 is a very good psu.
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