What is the future of NC West?

Re: What is the future of NC West?

Postby Quitted » Tue May 29, 2018 4:20 pm

To be honest reading the topic about jewel compound fails i'm really worried.
They are talking about using 800 boxes aka 2.400 usd to obtain a lvl 5 jewel and ending up with nothing like they were talking about spending 24 $ on baseball cards.
Imho someone has to stop this, as soon as possibile.
It's like you see someone on the edge of a bridge and you aren't doing anything to save him.
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Re: What is the future of NC West?

Postby Laby » Tue May 29, 2018 5:12 pm

Some people simply have more money than others, or can afford such things. There are "whales" everywhere. If they wish to spend their money in this way to have some fun, who are we to dissuade them ?
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Re: What is the future of NC West?

Postby Quitted » Tue May 29, 2018 5:12 pm

However you are right Elmar.
Truffle is so insecure about himself that he threw hundreds of thousands of dollars into virtual goods and as you tell him the truth he says the 10 lvl 6 gems on the whole server that are daily traded from player to player to make a single pvp have instantly multiplied.
He will show the same virtual items on one character he will trade the same items to another character and he will show the other character but with the same items.
This is just the fear of being the only one remaining to play a rigged game.
Some people are really mentally sick and do not deserve to be saved.
Socketka was right.

To laby. If it was a fair game you could be right.
It's a rigged game where the casino always wins because the game is rigged.
Eg. Madoff did a ponzi scheme. The whales burnt their money. Madoff is in prison with 31 life sentences.
Hint all the whales called the FBI because it's a federal crime.
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Re: What is the future of NC West?

Postby KenLee » Tue May 29, 2018 5:19 pm

Btw, you said you're a lawyer and I don't know much about this subject. Some people were talking about f2p games lacking certain regulations and they can operate without a gambling license. Only in the extreme cases, when you get items from in game gambling, items that are required to advance and you have to pay for that gambling, only then they can do something to you. Otherwise these items are considered vapor items and worth nothing outside the game. Do you know something about it?
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Re: What is the future of NC West?

Postby BergEr » Tue May 29, 2018 5:25 pm

Quitted wrote:To laby. If it was a fair game you could be right.
It's a rigged game where the casino always wins because the game is rigged.


People can still have more money even if its rigged. Most f2p games rely on whales which spends silly amounts compared to most players.

Like damn look at dota2, some ppl spend around $20000 a year on cosmetics. Nothing you buy in that game give you any bonus, simply cosmetic stuff and still ppl drop that much money =D

And if rumors were true when I played L2 then many of the whales had so much money irl that dropping $7000~ on an item isn't even directly visible on the bankaccount. I personally spend more on games per year than most people in the world make per year and thats hardly noticeable by me (and im far from rich by western standards).
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Re: What is the future of NC West?

Postby Quitted » Tue May 29, 2018 5:31 pm

Berger there is a misunderstanding.
Valve says to its customers we are selling cosmetics.
NCWest is saying to its customers we are selling items so you can get top end game items
NCWest forgot to say sorry you will never able to get top end game items even if you spend all of you wage.

On your example is like you give your money to valve but valve does give to you a loot box. It could be your cosmetic or an xp hero scroll.
I do repeat myself. Call the FBI. It's a federal crime.
My law firm is already collecting signatures for the sue.
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Re: What is the future of NC West?

Postby BergEr » Tue May 29, 2018 5:57 pm

Quitted wrote:Berger there is a misunderstanding.
Valve says to its customers we are selling cosmetics.
NCWest is saying to its customers we are selling items so you can get top end game items
NCWest forgot to say sorry you will never able to get top end game items even if you spend all of you wage.

On your example is like you give your money to valve but valve does give to you a loot box. It could be your cosmetic or an xp hero scroll.
I do repeat myself. Call the FBI. It's a federal crime.
My law firm is already collecting signatures for the sue.


It is straight gambling in valve games also though, some rewards are guaranteed but some are random. You can easily spend $1000 and not get what you want.

But yes slight difference from games that sell power increases in the game.
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Re: What is the future of NC West?

Postby Dawe » Tue May 29, 2018 6:23 pm

This discussion makes me wonder, i spend around 12k NC Coins per year (last time i bought fishing pack) Isnt that much? I try to pay the same ammount as i was paying before f2p.
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Re: What is the future of NC West?

Postby Laby » Tue May 29, 2018 6:36 pm

Dawe wrote:This discussion makes me wonder, i spend around 12k NC Coins per year (last time i bought fishing pack) Isnt that much? I try to pay the same ammount as i was paying before f2p.

As long as you are comfortable with it, I would say it's ok :)
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Re: What is the future of NC West?

Postby Elmar » Tue May 29, 2018 6:39 pm

Exactly. The question is not whether 12k NCoins per year is much, but whether you can easily afford it. Before the game went free to play, many people had two or three accounts, i.e. paying 30 or 45 dollars per month. Quit smoking and this won't break your budget. Regularly spending a certain amount of money on a hobby is absolutely normal and healthy. What Quitted and myself consider as immoral is the gambling aspect. NCsoft is exploiting mentally impaired people's poor impulse control to make them spend more than they originally intended. Gambling is a disease, like alcoholism. Exploiting that, like a barman who keeps on selling drinks to a customer who obviously has already had enough, is, if not outright criminal, deeply despiccable.
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